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Oguzhan
18 yıl önce - Pts 11 Nis 2005, 22:12
Alinti olarak vermiyecegim ama yinede Efes Pilsen - yunan bozuntusu maci hakkinda birkac sey demek istiyorum.
Ilk basta bazi arkadaslar maci hakem hatalari olsa bile yensin demis. Bu arkadaslar galiba basketbol izledikleri yok, yada pek anladinklari yok. Basketbol sadece top ile oynanan puan oyunu degil. Mac bircok zaman durduruluyor, motive ve ivme cok onemli. Sen oyuncu olarak sahada guzel hareket yaparsan ve hakem bu harekete haksiz yere faul calarsa bu seni demoralize eder. Buna belki bir iki defa goz yumabilirsin ama bir mac boyunca devamli oldugunda elinde sonunda kosmayi birakirsin. Iste olayda burda. Sahada bir oyuncun yerde kalipda bu kesin faul deyipde kalkmadigi an dort'e bes yakalaniyorsun ve inan ozaman en dogru sut'u bulup puan yapiliyor. Puan'a yapmaya cikar iken puansiz geri donuyorsun ve yetmemis gibi bide ustune puan yiyorsun.
Hadi bunlar bi olay obur olay ise (teknik) faul. Hakem yaptigin her harekete faul calirsa kolay puanlar bulursun, bide oyuncun savunmasini yapamaz cunku oyundan atilma korkusu basar. Ve Efes gibi oyununu savunmasi ile bu seviyelere getiren bir takim icin bu cok kotu bir olay. Efes bu sezon 45 mac kusur oynadi liglerde, hepsini neredeyse savunma yaparak oynadi, simdi 1 mac icin adamlar ofansif oynayacak degiller, isteseler bile oynayamazlar daha dogrusu, cunku takim oyle oynamaya alisik degil.
Pankartlara gelince. Bence cok yerinde bir hareket. Yunanistanda oynanilan maci gordunuzmu? Efesli oyuncu bench'e gidiyor tribunden birisi ustune tukuruyor! Bench'de oturuyor halen ustune tukuruluyor, su atiliyor. Uleb bunlari cezalandirmazsa bizide cezalandiramaz okadar basit bir olay ve buna dayanarak Istanbuldaki seyircilerimiz cok iyi bir is yapti. Hakimiz yerde kalacaksa bizde kendi hakkimizi arariz! Bunda kotu birsey yok. Hem biz nekadar durust oldugumuzu bu mactan 1 gun once Ulker ile ispatladik. Ruslar geldiler, hakemin yardimi ile yendiler ve bizler onlari alkisladik. Sahaya sise falanda atilmadi.
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Ati
18 yıl önce - Pts 11 Nis 2005, 23:48
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| Bu arkadaslar galiba basketbol izledikleri yok, yada pek anladinklari yok. |
Bu ustteki yaziyi uzerime aliyorum, cunku ben de boyle bir sey demistim...
Basketbolu anlayip anlamadan once mesajlara hakaret etmeden
yorum yapmasini ogren derim!
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kasım
18 yıl önce - Sal 12 Nis 2005, 11:01
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| Bu arkadaslar galiba basketbol izledikleri yok, yada pek anladinklari yok. |
iltifatın için tesekkurler, izledigim kadar izledim, bildigim kadar biliyorum...
ne yorum yaptigimida biliyorum...
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emily
18 yıl önce - Sal 12 Nis 2005, 23:46
Inter ve Milan macini izliyen oldumu? merak ediyorum burda ne kadar medyaya cikacak cunku Turkiye'de olsaydi kiyamet kopardi.... demekki sirf bizde olmuyomus bu olaylar, merak ediyorum aslinda, boylesi buyuk bir kupa icin galatasaray fener ile oynasa boyle olay cikarmi dersiniz?
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Adil Sar
18 yıl önce - Çrş 13 Nis 2005, 00:41
Olayların hepsi, tüm detayları ile buraya da yansıdı. Bir ara 10 dk için Bayern Münich maçına bağlandılar. Ama o sırada da zaten takımlar soyunma odasındadyı. Sonra maça kaldığı yerden devam ettiler ve olan oldu. Herşeyi gördük yani. Inter 'e sağlam ceza gelecek.
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Oguzhan
18 yıl önce - Çrş 13 Nis 2005, 18:54
Sevgili arkadaslar,
Bukadar onemli Efes Pilsen - yunan bozuntusu macinda birlik olacagimiz yere kavga yapmak istemem, onun icin burda ozur borclu oldugumu sanan arkadaslar var ise onlardan ozur diliyorum.
Benim demek istedigim tek sey, hakkimizi yedirmemek lagzim. Basketbol hakemlerin elinde olan bir spor. NBA sampiyonu takimini getir hakemler asiri derecede taraftar oldugunda orta duzeyde Euroleague takimi onu yenebilir. Yani bu is sadece Efes'imizin gucune kalmis degil, ve aslada bu sekilde birakmayalim. Adil mac olsun, istedikleri kadar taraftar getirsin yunan bozuntulari (ki her bilet satilmis, toplam 18bin yunan bozuntusu bizi bekliyor bizi) Efesimiz yine yener bunlari. Ama hakemler ilk mactaki gibi calacaksalar ozaman isimiz cok cok zor.
Hakkimizi koruyalim derken iste altdaki iki yazi gibi durumlardan bahsediyorum. Kaynagi belli, inanmayan arkadas gider bakar. Kurulus sanki yunan bozuntularin bu isi baslatmadigini, yunanistandaki mac kusursuz gectigini, sadece Istanbulda olaylar ciktigini yaziyor. Bunlara yetinmiyorlar birde bizi asaliyip medeniyetsiz gorgusuz diyorlar! Bu mac anlasilar spor disina cikartildi ve buna dikkat eden, bakan birisi olmazsa, ozaman bizde hic kurallara uymamiza gerek yok!
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When Panathinaikos Athens lost in Turkey, last week, was not the only looser since Basketball as a game lost and friendship between the two neighbor countries is under doubt! Abdi Imbeski was a real hell for the Greeks and hundreds of items were thrown to the Greek players with the "help" of the referees since they were pretending as if nothing happens! The signs (in Greek and English) from the Turks (supposing they are basketball funs) such us Greece is a Turkish territory and that Greece lost its virginity by Turks in 1453, plus all the Turkish Cypriot flags which were all over the court, shows exactly the kind of atmosphere that the Greek players had to face. The worst of all was the hundreds of bottles thrown to the players of Panathinaikos Athens, lighters, teens and other staffs were the smaller items thrown. The police was there! But definitely haven’t done a lot (they only beat people in peaceful demonstrations!)
Of course one might say that this is the way things happen, a nation shows its civilization and culture by these events!
For the game now, Panathinaikos Athens was fighting the game for 37 minutes and against all odds since both referees were facing they game with terror due to the “hot and fearful climate” so the ball was “given” easily to the Turkish players, the game would have had a different result though if the “leader” of the green team Fragiskos Alvertis (206-F-74) was successful in the three pointer on the 37th minute when the score was 67-61 for the Turks. Top scorer for the Turkish team was Will Solomon (187-G-78, agency: Interperformances, college: Clemson) with 24 and 5 three pointers and from the Greek team Jaka Lakovic (182-G-78) and Patrick Femerling (213-C-75, college: Washington) scoring 20 and 10 points respectively. An amazing event is that even Ibo was terrified and disappointed by his country fellows and mentioned this after the end of the game.
After the end of the game Dimitris Papanikolaou (201-F-77) (201-F-77) talked to the Greek reporters remembering a game in Turkey ten years ago when he was playing with the rivals of Panathinaikos Athens , Olympiakos S.F.P. Pireus, and faced exactly the same atmosphere from the Turkish funs. Things are not getting better, from a country that wants to joined EU, some things must change urgently!! Before is too late.Next game in a best of three series is on Thursday and hopefully Greeks will be better hosts than Turks for the sake of Basketball, if not another article will follow with all the details in regards to the game.
Kanyak: Eurobasket
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Panathinaikos made the first step to the F4 - Apr. 7, 2005 - by Eurobasket
In an awesome game last night at a packed with 10,000 people stadium, Panathinaikos beated Efes Pilsen 102-96 after overtime making his first step to qualify for the Euroleague F4!
In the first period both teams played very good defence but Savo Scepanovic (194-F-70), Jaka Lakovic (182-G-78) and Mike Batiste (203-F-77, college: Seattle S.) on the one hand and Will Solomon (187-G-78, agency: Interperformances, college: Clemson) with Henry Domercant (191-G-80, college: E.Illinois) on the other were on a great nigth scoring difficult shots, so the period ended in draw 21-21. After the second period both teams started committing a lot of fouls and most points were scored with free throws. Prcatsin committed his 4th foul on the 18th minute and that weakened Efe's frontline a lot. The game was in total balance though and was taken to halftime with another draw 46-46 by Arrslan's awesome three-pointer...
In the third period, three-pointers started falling like bombs... Ibrahim Kutluay (198-F/G-74), Jaka Lakovic (182-G-78) and Will Solomon (187-G-78, agency: Interperformances, college: Clemson) were scoring amazing shots behind the line. Panathinaikos didn't have a good free throw percentage so he couldn't take a lead bigger than 5-6 points but then Henry Domercant (191-G-80, college: E.Illinois) scored 2 three-pointers and the period ended 64-63. With good defence Panathinaikos managed to take the lead 78-71 with Efes players making many turnovers. But then. just as Panathinaikos' fans thought their team was close to 1-0, Will Solomon (187-G-78, agency: Interperformances, college: Clemson) decided to take the game to his hands and scored 7 straight points making the score 83-81 with 17seconds on the clock.
Then a free throw shootout started with: Jaka Lakovic (182-G-78) having 2/2 taking the score to 85-81 and Henry Domercant (191-G-80, college: E.Illinois) 2/2 (85-83), with 12'' to go Savo Scepanovic (194-F-70) had 1/2 (86-83) and Will Solomon (187-G-78, agency: Interperformances, college: Clemson) had 2/2 (86-85). With 7'' left Jaka Lakovic (182-G-78) scored 2/2 (88-85) but Will Solomon (187-G-78, agency: Interperformances, college: Clemson) won another foul with 3,4'' to go. He scored the first one and deliberately lost the second. In the mix up under Panathinaikos' basket Henry Domercant (191-G-80, college: E.Illinois) was left alone with he ball and tied the game 88-88.
In the middle of overtime, Efes Pilsen took the lead 90-92 and 93-95. At that point Will Solomon (187-G-78, agency: Interperformances, college: Clemson) won another foul, scored both free throws but the italian referee Colucci didn't count it cause he "saw" Will Solomon (187-G-78, agency: Interperformances, college: Clemson) stepping the line before the ball reached the basket. Efes Pilsen's players raged and left for the lockers protesting. With all those nerves Panathinaikos lead by Savo Scepanovic (194-F-70) took the lead 99-95 and the final win 102-96.
Jaka Lakovic (182-G-78) (26 points and 5 assists), Savo Scepanovic (194-F-70) (19 points and 7 rebounds), Mike Batiste (203-F-77, college: Seattle S.) (17 points and 10 rebounds) and Koutlouai (17 points with 4/6 thr.) were the best for Panathinaikos while Will Solomon (187-G-78, agency: Interperformances, college: Clemson) (25 points and 7 assisnts with 4/7 thr.), Henry Domercant (191-G-80, college: E.Illinois) (29 points and 8 rebounds) and Prkacin (12 points with 11 rebounds) did their best for Efes Pilsen.
In the press conference after the game, Zelico Obradovic said: "We were expecting a tough game and that was what we got, but also there was a high level of basketball played too... We won so we need one more win in the next two games to qualify for the Final Four. The fans were fantastic and they helped as a lot but the ones that through stuff at the Turkish players should be dispatched from the stadium... Now the pressure is on Efes Pilsen, if we want to win Turkey we have to play much better defence than today..." The Turkish team's coach commented: "Congratulations to Panathinaikos for the win. We were better i think, but there are many parameters that lead you from winning to losing and vice versa. Both teams are of the highest level and we have to respect that".
Lastly, During the Turk's protests after Will Solomon (187-G-78, agency: Interperformances, college: Clemson)'s un-counted free throw many of Efe's players provoked Panathinaikos' fans and there was pandemonioum for 5 minutes. Luckily the referees included all that in the match report so Panathinaikos is not going to be punished by the Euroleague officials.
Kanyak: Eurobasket
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Not: Ati lutfen benim o eksi puani verdigimi sanma, o ben degilim 
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Ati
18 yıl önce - Çrş 13 Nis 2005, 23:48
Panathinaikos-Efes Pilsen arifesi
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Sevgili arkadaslar,
Bukadar onemli Efes Pilsen - yunan bozuntusu macinda birlik olacagimiz yere kavga yapmak istemem, onun icin burda ozur borclu oldugumu sanan arkadaslar var ise onlardan ozur diliyorum. |
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| Not: Ati lutfen benim o eksi puani verdigimi sanma, o ben degilim |
Aslinda onceki yaziyi bir anlik sinirden yazmistim ama silmeye ya da degistirmeye de
gerek gormedim...
Eksi puana gelince;
Eksi puan, verenin takdiri diyelim...
Yalniz eksi puanlarla fikirlerimde hicbir sekilde sapma
olmayacagindan icim rahat. Ama Oguzhan, senin o eksiyi
verdigin zaten aklimin ucundan gecmemisti.
Ekledigin yazilari dikkate almadim, cunku tarafli bir Rum tarafindan yazilan yazi
ne kadar dikkate alinir ki? Kisacasi tarafsiz birinin yazisi olmadigi gibi, sitenin
Yunanistan basketbol bolumune eklenmis zaten.
Efes Pilsen´le ilgili sitemim yillardir basinimizin da gaziyla Avrupa´nin en buyukleri
arasinda gosterilmesine ragmen hicbir basari elde edememesindendir.
Gercek buyuk her turlu zorluklara ragmen bunu basaracak gucu bulabilir,
buna ne hakemler ne de fanatik taraftarlar engel olabilir.
Yoksa Turkiye Ligi´nde Ulkerspor ve kisitli imkanlarla mucadele eden kulup takimlari
karsisinda istedigin sekilde at kosturabilirsin. Hatta hatta buna zaman zaman
(son Besiktas karsilasmasinda oldugu gibi) hakem destegi de eklenebiliyorsa.
Efes´in Turkiye´de buyuk balik, Avrupa´da kucuk balik konumuna dusmesi abes
kacmaz mi?.. Ki o kadar imkana ragmen bu duruma dusuyorsa konusmaya da
hakki yok, cunku buyuk balik kucuk baligi her zaman yer.
Ayrica kabul etseniz de etmeseniz de (taskinlik yapan fanatiklere ragmen)
sonucta bu bir spor karsilasmasi.
Ve Efes orada her turlu olumsuzluga ragmen sakinligini korur, oyun disiplininden
kopmayip kendi oyununu ortaya koyarsa ´Dortlu Final´e kalmasina hicbir neden
goremiyorum.
Yeter ki basaracaklarina inansinlar!..
Guclu olan maci olasi olumsuzluga ragmen lehine cevirmesini bilir,
ve yenilgide hakemmis oymus buymus gibi mazeretleri bundandir ki
kabul etmiyorum, zira yillardir bu hikayeyi dinliyoruz.
Artik son bulsun! (Efes kupayi alsin  ).
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arkinayvali
18 yıl önce - Prş 14 Nis 2005, 10:09
FOTBOLDA DEVRIM
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DEVRİM
Avrupa Birliği Adalet Divanı, Rus İgor Simutenkov'un başvurusunu kabul etti. Buna göre, Türk futbolcuları da artık Avrupa'da yabancı statüsünden çıkarılacak
İspanya'nın Tenerife kulübünde forma giyen Rus futbolcu İgor Simutenkov'un, Avrupa Birliği Adalet Divanı'na yaptığı başvuru kabul edilince, Türk futbolcularının da, Avrupa'da yabancı statüsünden çıkarılma şansı doğdu.
Bosman kanunundan sonra Avrupa futbolu için "devrim" niteliğini taşıyan bu kararla ilgili olarak Rus Simutenkov, AB'ye üye 25 ülke oyuncuları gibi eşit haklara sahip olduğunu belirterek, AB ile ortaklık anlaşması imzalamış ülke futbolcularına da birlik lisansı verilmesini istemişti.
AB Adalet Divanı, Simutenkov'un başvurusunu kabul edince, Avrupa futbolundaki dengeler alt üst oldu. Bu karardan başta Türkiye olmak üzere Ermenistan, Azerbaycan, Gürcistan, Kazakistan, Kırgızistan, Moldova ve Ukraynalı futbolcular da yararlanacak. Ayrıca lisansı Barcelona'da bulunan Rüştü, takımına dönerse AB lisansı ile oynayacak, Emre ve Nihat da bu statüden forma giyebilecek.
Bu arada Türkiye'de top koşturan, Avrupalı futbolcuların da AB lisansı alabileceği bildirilirken, İtalyan Giunti'nin daha önce Beşiktaş'ta yabancı sayılmaması için başvuruda bulunduğu hatırlatıldı. Divan kararının,
UEFA ve üye ülke federasyonlarına hafta içinde bildirileceği de açıklandı. |
www.milliyet.com.tr
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Kemal A
18 yıl önce - Prş 14 Nis 2005, 11:45
işte yunan takımının resmi sitesinde her 2 maçla ilgili taraflı yorumları, Atina'daki olaylardan kelime bahsetmemiş ama istanbul'da terör arenasında yenilmişler !
Panathinaikos - Efes Pilsen: 102 - 96 6/4/2005
Stadium: OAKA
Tickets: 13000
FIRST STEP TOWARDS THE FINAL FOUR
A thrilling first semifinal took place in OAKA with Panathinaikos needing 45’ to beat the fighting Efess Pilsen from Turkey. PAO finally beat them by 102-96 in extra time and made the first step towards the Moscow final four, keeping at the same time the home-court advantage! The game was exciting with none of the two teams being able to take a comfortable lead during the game. Panathinaikos demonstrated “suicidal tendency” with many missed free throws (16 in total) and the loss – in just two minutes – of an 8-point lead in the 38th (80-72). The Turks were determined to win and showed their intentions right form the start. Led by Domerkad, they managed to control the game in the first minutes, taking a 9-12 lead in the 5th. Panathinaikos, with tight defense and Scepanovic contributing in offense, closed the first period tied at 21 and with Baxter entering the court, both defense and offense became more effective; as a result they took a 42-38 lead in the 18th with some Kutluai baskets. Efess came back and, led by Nicolic, they managed to tie up the game at the end of the half (46-46). In the second half, PAO had a good strong spell and managed to take a 51-46 lead in the 21st. Again, Efess replied back as Domerkad and Solomon were unstoppable. The game was very close until Lakovic, with a personal break, gave PAO a 5 point lead (63-58) and with the help of Batist the margin went up as high as 8 points in the 38th (80-72), almost sealing this great win. But PAO had to face Solomon who totally turned the game around. Three seconds before the end, with PAO ahead by 88-85, and Solomon at the free throw line: He makes the first and misses the second; Domerkad grabs the offensive rebound and ties up the game at the buzzer (88-88). During the extra time, Panathinaikos showed great mental strength and with Vlado Scepanovic taking over in offense, they managed to take the 1-0 lead in the series! Score by periods: 21-21, 46-46, 64-63, 88-88, 102-96 (after extra time)
Efes Pilsen - Panathinaikos: 75 - 63 8/4/2005
Stadium: Abdi Ipehci
Tickets: 12000
PAO DEFEATED IN THE ARENA OF TERROR
Panathinaikos’ qualification to the Euroleague final four will be decided in a third game after the defeat in Constantinople by 75-63. PAO, in an arena “terrorized” by 12.000 fanatic Turks, could not hold on until the end but fought hard with all their power. Indeed the atmosphere that Panathinaikos players faced in the “Abdi Ipehci” arena was unprecedented; Efes fans were throwing objects on the court during the most part of the game (which was stopped more than 10 times). Horns and intense booing definitely had an effect on the team, which nevertheless for the most part of the game, did their very best. With good defense right from the start, PAO was always in the game (9` 16-16) and with Femerling’s entrance on court, seemed to control the game both in defense and offense. At the same time, Diamantidis and Lakovic contributed in offense and PAO took a 26-32 lead in the 19th, closing the first half ahead by 4 (28-32). The margin went up to 5 points at the beginning of the second half (33-38), but Solomon was unstoppable and Efes took again the lead (41-38), closing the third period ahead by 7 (52-45). Despite the terrifying atmosphere, PAO continued to fight, cut down the margin to 64-61, but Solomon and Arslan gave the Turkish team the win.
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Erkan Cabuk
18 yıl önce - Prş 14 Nis 2005, 14:33
Memo'dam Muhtesem Performans
NBA'de dün akşam Utah Jazz'ın Delta Center'da San Antonio Spurs'u 93-91'lik skorla mağlup ettiği karşılaşmada Milli Yıldızımız Mehmet Okur sergilediği başarılı performans ile göz doldurdu. Mücadeleye ilk beş başlayan ve 42 dakika süre alan Mehmet, karşılaşmayı da 25 sayı- 16 ribaund ve 4 asist ile tamamladı. Bitime 2.4 saniye kala kaydettiği basket ile takımını galibiyete taşıyan Milli Yıldızımız, mücadele boyunca 10/19 iki sayı- 0/1 üç sayı ve 5/5 serbest atış isabetiyle oynadı. Bu sezon 20.double double'ına imza atan Mehmet, oynadığı 77 karşılaşma sonrasında 12.6 sayı- 7.3 ribaund ve 2.0 asist ortalamaları yakaladı.
www.basketbolseverler.com
Her ne kadar bu sene takim olarak lotu bir sezon gecirselerde Memo'nun bu performansi bizler icin guzel bir sey. 77 macta 25 galibiyetleri oldu. Memo birde 10 ocakta Spurs macinda yine son saniye basketi ile Utah Jazz'in maci kazanmasina yardimci olmustu.  
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ANA SAYFA -> HABERLER ve SOHBET
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